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In Episode 108, Adam, Chris, and Jade sit down with Todd Kerlin, General Manager of THE DEBATE, for a conversation that feels almost inevitable.

What started as a shared name turns into a deeper connection—exploring how THE DEBATE wine brand came to be, and how its philosophy aligns (and clashes) with the spirit of Grapes & Debates.

The real discussion unfolds in the glass.

Tasting two single-vineyard expressions crafted from the same grape, by the same winemaker, using the same production methods, the group dives into what truly sets them apart: terroir. Soil, climate, and place become the deciding voice in a side-by-side comparison that challenges assumptions and sharpens perspective.

This episode is a reminder that sometimes the most compelling debates aren’t about opinion—they’re about nuance.