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In this episode of Grapes & Debates, Adam and Joe are joined by two new voices—Jade Sullivan, our Social Media & Events Coordinator, and Andy Flores, Joe’s brother-in-law—for a conversation that mixes fresh perspective with deep-rooted Napa context.

The group tastes wines from some of Napa Valley’s legacy landowners and wineries, reflecting on what it means to build something that lasts across generations.

That sets the stage for the debate:

Could someone start a winery from the ground up in Napa today—and actually make money?

They dig into:

The real cost of entering the Napa wine business in 2025
The advantage (and pressure) of legacy brands
Whether storytelling and direct-to-consumer can level the playing field
The role of land, time, and capital in long-term success
What “profitable” even means in modern wine

It’s part reality check, part thought experiment—and a conversation that challenges both romantic and practical views of the industry.